Marcus Garvey: The Moorish-American Perspective (Part II)

Peace and good will to all!  This blog is pursuant to part one of this series which can be found here.  You might want to read the former to be fully abreast in the ideology being demonstrated. Without further due, I bring you the Moorish-American scholar, Azeem Hopkins Bey.



O.K. Stephens Bey: Why do you think so many people are knowledgeable about the works of Garvey, yet so many lack knowledge of the works of Noble Drew Ali?

Azeem Hopkins Bey:

We will not squander precious time explicating who knows more about whom, because that is irrelevant. However, we do acknowledge the fact that not all UNIA members and followers of Marcus Garvey entered the doors of the Moorish Science Temple of America. This is a fact of life; not all people are going to accept the truth which was brought by Prophet Noble Drew Ali. The circumstance is analogous to the state of affairs during the contemporary of John and Jesus. Although John the Baptist was sent to prepare the way for the coming of Jesus, not all disciples of John the Baptist accepted the teachings of Jesus, moreover some even denied the divinity and prophethood of Jesus. There exists a religious group known as “Mandaeans,” who practice “Mandaeism” (sometimes Mandaeanism). Mandaeism is practiced primarily in southern Iraq and the Iranian province of Khuzestan, as well as among a small diaspora population in Europe, Australia, and North America. Mandaeism is a monotheistic religion which honors Adam, Abel, Seth, Enosh, Noah, Shem, Aram, and especially John the Baptist as prophets. They describe Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad as false. Mandaeans consider John the Baptist to be God’s most honorable messenger. John the Baptist plays a large part in Mandaean writings. Mandaeans highly revere him and claim to have some remote connection with his original disciples. They believe John the Baptist was the last and greatest of the prophets. While Mandaeans agree that he baptized Jesus they reject the latter as a savior or prophet. They view John as the only true Messiah.

O.K. Stephens Bey: So are you alluding to the notion that many Asiatics misunderstood the true purpose of Marcus Garvey?

Azeem Hopkins Bey: 
Yes, Over the years there has been great debate waged over whether or not Marcus Garvey and Prophet Noble Drew Ali were ever acquainted with one another. This great debate has been put to rest in light of new revealed information and research. There is concrete evidence that Marcus Garvey and Prophet Noble Drew Ali encountered one another. One particular incident was documented by the Chicago Defender Newspaper in 1927, while Marcus Garvey was in the Federal penitentiary in Atlanta Georgia. This encounter reveals the fact that Marcus Garvey was not opposed to Prophet Noble Drew Ali’s divine program, contrarily he was please with the Holy Prophets program. The encounter has been documented by the Chicago Defender newspaper, November 19th 1927. The article reads as follows:

Noble Drew Ali Returns After Long Visit South

Noble Drew Ali, Prophet, Founder and head of the Moorish National Divine Movement, has returned to the city after an extended visit in the South. Prophet Ali motored from Chicago to Atlanta, Ga., where he spent a few hours visiting Marcus Garvey in the federal prison. Mr. Garvey was very much pleased with the splendid uplift work being done by the Moorish Divine Movement. The organization has launched a drive for more members. 

Persons desirous of learning of the great work that is being done are asked to write Prophet Ali, 3603 Indiana Ave., Chicago Ill. Phone Douglas 5909. 

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The First Step of a True Moslem: Faith

How can man believe in anything lest he has faith that verifies the notion or idea?  Indeed, it seems many people abuse the word faith; but without faith, one cannot make progress on their spiritual journey.  Therefore, let us examine the true meaning of faith.

Though many people refer to faith as a word to express a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence, this western definition is incorrect. Moreover, faith implies three things: Belief in Allah, trust in Allah, and an allegiance to God in action (submission).  In this way, we can see how man, woman, and child themselves, become the material evidence of the truth of their God.

Sura 2:143: And thus We have made you an exalted nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and that the Messenger may be bearer of witness to you.  And We did not make that which thou wouldst have to be the qiblah but that We might Distinguish him who follows the Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels.  And it was indeed a hard test except for those whom Allah has guided.  Nor was Allah going to make your faith to be FRUITLESS.  

And so we can logically presume that our faith produces a construct of thoughts, desires and actions.  The latter is the evidence of the former.  And is this not why James exclaimed faith without deeds is dead (meaning no faith exists)?

In fact a Moslem should view faith as:

1. Faith is what man knows is truth.
2. Faith is the surety of the omnipotence of Allah and Man.
3. Faith is the certainty that man will reach deific life.
4. Faith is the first step on the path to righteousness.
5. Faith guides one in all of his actions.

In the Circle 7 we learn that men comprehend the inner life by what they see and do (Circle7- 4:17).  Thus a Moslem can only grow in his walk by his words and deeds and as he tills the righteous soil of life, the mystery of deific life is made more plain to him; This rules out the notion of "blind faith."  Abraham is a good example of a faithful man; His desire to follow Allah's commandments, even if it meant killing his own son, allowed him to see the omnipotence of his Ruler.

This interpretation is from a Moslem's point a view. Moslems do not  believe in blind faith; moreover, they become the truth they subscribe to and transform into a living testimony of the one and true Supreme Architect.

The Moors Strike Back: Sharif A. Bey Clears the Record (Part 1)

 Brother Sharif A. Bey is an expert on Moorish Jurisprudence and if you would like to know more about him, feel free to check a previous blog where his statements on a blogtalkradio interview was the centerpiece of discussion.

I was compelled to contact Brother Sharif, and he agreed to answer some questions for me. Again, thank you, Brother Bey, for elaborating on the MSTof A.  I trust that many of those who are interested in the MSTof A will find this information useful as I formed the questions based on many questions I feel the public may have about this movement. Again, enjoy.

Sia Sobek:
Marcus Garvey referred to African-Americans as Negroes while Noble Drew Ali referred to them as Moorish-Americans.  In my previous blog, I discussed discrepancies with "Moor" being used as a term to denote one's nationality.  From a Moorish-American's perspective, how does the term Moorish-American more effective than the modern day term  "African-American?"

Sharif Bey:

On pg. 109 of "Philosophies and Opinions of Marcus Garvey" he states "the negro needs a nationality."  This quote underscores the fact that Garvey used the term "negro" as it was the common denoting term of the day, yet stressed the need for a national identifying name.  His use of the term "negro" in the proper context is comparable to Prophet Drew Ali's use of the term "Asiatic;" both were describing our RACE, not national origin. 

Drew Ali's use of the term "Moorish American" to most accurately describe us in the national/political context is apt, firstly because racial/ethnic categorization and national/political identification are two different things (although the two are often connected), secondly, as nationality determines one's political status, the last known political affiliation our people had prior to our loss of nationality and subsequent enslavement was with the Moroccan Empire.  Our state of servitude came as a result of our loss of national identity, ie., ceasing to maintain our connection to our native political entity on these shores.

Conversely, the term "African-American" denotes connection to a continent and not a political body/nation/state, and therefore is unqualified as a signifier for national identity.

Sia Sobek:
Garvey seemed to be focused on uniting all "negroes" as he called us, yet Noble Drew Ali's members often perceive African-American's who call themselves "black" as being second class citizens solely based on their association with the term "black."  Blacks under Ali's ideology, for example, have no nationality.  The concept seems to be more divisive than unifying.  Explain how Ali's message was for the total unification of the race, though it superficially can be perceived as divisive.

Sharif Bey:

In this era of time, civilized people all over the world are identified and recognized not by color, but by national descent, which is why dark-skinned, wooly-haired "negroid" peoples native to Mexico, Honduras, Brazil, etc. are not called "black", but Mexicans, Hondurans, Brazilians, respectively.  Honoring our mothers and fathers by name and principle in this way (ie., recognizing and reclaiming our national descent and connection), for our people, is the very first step in "standing upright" as respectable civilized people and thereby becoming for the first time since our fall able to demand that respect from all other civilized people. 

 In the New Testament Gospels, Jesus' mission is ultimately to "spread the gospel" to the world, and yet the first part of his mission was to prepare a chosen nation to raise, then use that nation to "go out to all the world and preach the gospel..."

Likewise, as prophets, avatars, saviors, etc. are sent to nations to raise that especial nation, then commission that nation to be the example for the world, so it is with the program of Prophet Noble Drew Ali.  As in days of old, the Prophet's mission is to make our nation (the fallen Asiatic sons and daughters of North America) the "avatar" for the Uniting of Asia/the unification of melanated peoples, by first making us like himself.  He was sent to us so that we could be sent out to the world.  This is what is referred to as "raising the dead."  Incidentally, the word "black/negro" (derivative of the word 'necro'/'dead') in the history of humanity has ONLY been used to describe our people in our present condition (no nationality, or 'civiller mortuus'/dead in the eyes of the law).  Since the year 2000 the world has been watching the sudden resurgence of the Moorish movement; they are witnesses to the Biblical Resurrection.

Marcus Garvey: The Moorish American's Perspective (Part 1)

It is my proud pleasure to share with you important information concerning Noble Drew Ali and Marcus Garvey from a Divine Minister of the Moorish Science Temple of America, Azeem Hopkins-Bey. Brother Bey has done great works for the temple and is a scholar of the teachings of Noble Drew Ali.  In addition, he is an author of "What Your History Books Failed to Tell you," and is host of Know Thy Self , a blog talk radio show that is very informative on the plight of Asiatics all over the world.

Brother Bey is shining light on a previous blog of mine, "Why Marcus Garvey Wouldn't Support 
the M.S.T. of A." His perspective and understanding is most needed as he is a minister for the movement. Thus without further due, we can finally quench the thirst for all seekers who find my blog searching for "Garvey and Drew Ali." This is just a first in this series from Brother Bey by the way. Enjoy.

S. Sobek: Why do you think there is an inherent problem with people perceiving Marcus Garvey as the John the Baptist or Forerunner for Noble Drew Ali?

A.H. Bey: 
There has been much controversy concerning the linkage of Marcus Garvey to Prophet Noble Drew Ali. This controversy has arisen due to an erroneous perception of the term “Harbinger” and “Forerunner.”  For the sake of intelligibility, we sincerely offer the meaning to the aforementioned terms without nuance. Harbinger is defined as, “one that pioneers in or initiates major change; one that presages or foreshadows what is to come; precursor; forerunner.” The term “Forerunner” is defined as, “one that precedes and indicates the approach of another; a person of thing paving the way for the success or accomplishment of another.” Through understanding the definitions given, one would grasp the nature of Marcus Garvey’s mission. When Marcus Garvey stated, “We want a Nationality similar to that of the English, the French, the Italian, the German…we want Nationality and government…”, this message obviously was the forerunner to the message brought by Prophet Noble Drew Ali.

S. Sobek:  If Marcus Garvey was the forerunner to Noble Drew Ali, why did he refer to his people as Negroes, why didn’t he say Asiatic or Moorish?
Ostensibly, his task/mission as forerunner was to prepare his people for the message brought by Prophet Noble Drew Ali; his responsibility was not to bring precisely the same message as Prophet Noble Drew Ali. If the people would have immediately accepted the teachings of Prophet Noble Drew Ali, there would not have been a need for a forerunner. We must keep in mind that Asiatics in America at that time were at least one generation removed from slavery (1865), and the language they spoke was the language of the negro. Consequently, the condition called for the necessity of Garvey to articulate implementing the vernacular of the so-called negro to clearly communicate the preparation rite bestowed upon them, which was nationalistic in nature.
S.Sobek:  Noble Drew Ali imposed the Moorish-American flag, a red flag with a five pointed green star in the middle for Moorish-Americans; however, Garvey already established a red, black and green flag to represent "negroes."  Why was it necessary for Ali to introduce an new flag?

A.H. Bey: 
Quite simply, the red, black, and green flag is not a national flag whereas one can utilize to trace themselves back to their ancient forefathers. The red, black, and green was the banner of the UNIA, and it was primarily flown on Marcus Garvey’s fleet of ships known as the Black Star Line. The red, black, and the green banner introduced the thought, idea, and notion of national flag to the so-called negro. In fact, the banner was created in 1920 by the members of the UNIA in response to the enormously popular 1900 coon song “Every Race Has a Flag but the Coon,” which has been cited as one of the three coon songs that firmly established the term coon in the American vocabulary.

A 1921 report appearing in the Africa Times and Orient Review (published by Duse Muhammad Ali), for which Marcus Garvey previously worked, quoted him regarding the importance of the flag where it states, “Show me the race or the nation without a flag, and I will show you a race of people without any pride....” The red, black, and green was the forerunner to the red flag with a five pointed green star in the center, i.e. the Moorish flag which is over 10,000 years old.

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The Moors Aren't Sovereign? Really?

"Nationality cannot be bought unless you're in the slavery game." That quote was stated by Brother Sharif A. Bey, an expert on Moorish American Jurisprudence. "There is no such thing as a nation of sovereigns," was another profound quote that Brother Bey exclaimed on a blogtalkradio interview with Brother Azeem Hopkins Bey.

Brother Sharif Bey has just revealed some very pertinent information concerning the true meaning of sovereignty inside the context of the Moorish Science Temple of America, and I would like to think that other bodies of the M.S.T.of A at least listened and understood the wisdom in his words.

By in large, my experience with the M.S.T.of A dealt a lot with sovereignty. My former leadership exclaimed,"We are sovereign" quite frequently. "We are a wheel within a wheel," was another popular saying. Moreover, about a year and a half ago, I received information from a Supreme Grand Sheik in Chicago, who I will not disclose of specifically, who mentioned that he was researching ways (if possible) to legally remove Moors from the burden of having driver's licenses.

However, after the interview on BlogTalkRadio, which I encourage anyone of African descent to listen to, it is clear that this is not what Noble Drew Ali brought. Though Brother Sharif Bey admits that he played a role in contributing to this haphazard kind of thinking, he since has learned that this is NOT what Noble Drew Ali intended for his followers. If one would listen to the interview, he would know that C.M Bey and others used State Rights Advocate's ideologies to legitimize the Moors stance on being sovereign from the federal government; as mentioned by Sharif Bey, ironically, the states were those who directly subjected African-Americans to slavery in the first place.

If indeed Drew Ali was attempting to bring back the golden age of the Moors, his construct is perfect. The Moors in Spain discussed how when the Moors ruled Europe, they allowed other nationalities to follow their own beliefs without interference. They did not require Christians or Jews to become Muslims. So long as they observed the letter of the law, all was well.

Therefore, though we are not the rulers of the land in the present day, all nationalities have the right to develop their own economy and their own political representation; for instance, the Jews have 13 members in the Senate and need we discuss their economic stronghold? Their presence in the Senate and their economic power makes them a force that will be represented fairly well when Congress is in session. On the contrary, Roland Burris is the only African-American in the Senate at this present time.

I see now that Drew Ali was trying to unite our people under one economic circle, one political party and one God. Such a thing should be the inherent nature of all races, but our subjection to the oppression of slavery in the 18th and 19th century has African-American's behind a little bit. No excuse, merely just stating the facts.

I tip my hat off to Brother Hopkins and Sharif Bey for clearing up the record. Moorish Americans all over America should take heed.

Why Marcus Garvey Wouldn't Support the M.S.T.of A (Part 2)

The push for Asiatics in America to have a nationality is most necessary. However, just what nationality would be appropriate is a perplexing philosophical conversation. In all respect, I admired Drew Ali's attempt to give Asiatics a nationality. However, it proved futile and this is nothing less than a fact. Only the smallest percentage of Asiatics refer to themselves as "Moorish-Americans" and I believe the cause of that is because the term simply does not fit the match.

The African scholar, Wayne B. Chandler, states that the term Moor can be traced to 46 B.C. Herein, we have a Roman army that entered West Africa referring to black Africans they encountered as Maures from the Greek adjective "mauros," which simply meant dark or black. Meanwhile, the Greeks who approached east Africa called the black Africans they encountered Ethiops. Ethiop is inherently Greek and stems from the words aithein {to burn} and ops {face}, i.e. burnt face. However, these are simply terms that ancient Europeans labeled Africans, and they simply were NOT nationalities. It should be mentioned that there were all kinds of different ethnic groups of Africans stemming from different places. They merely were adjectives that described the physical nature of the humans they saw {black or dark skinned}.

"The broad use of the term Moor begs the question: Who were the real Moors? Or as Chancellor Williams queried with a recognizable tinge of frustration, "Now, again, just who were the Moors?" He continues, " the original Moors, like the original Egyptians, were black Africans [emphasis added]. As amalgamation became more and more widespread, only the Berbers, Arabs and coloureds in the Moroccan territories were called Moors." -Source- African Presence in Early Europe

If one reads between the aforesaid lines, he would learn that the term Moor was NEVER a nationality. It was given to us by a foreign race for lack of a better classification. Herein lies the problem in Moor being used as the modern day nationality for displaced Africans in America.

Now to place it even more clear cut, lets use an example. An Irish-American can trace himself back to Ireland. An Italian can trace his bloodline directly to Italy. In contrast, can African-Americans trace their lineage to Morocco? By in large, the answer is no. A nationality connects a citizen of a nation and the nation itself, customarily involving allegiance by the citizen and protection by the state. With this comes things such as a common language, traditions, religion, etc. Bluntly put, the term Moorish-American does not embody those principles.

From the M.S.T of A's Koran Questionaire: "Why are we Moorish Americans?" "Because we are descendants of Moroccans and born in America." However, today's Asiatics don't necessarily come from descendants of Moroccans, especially when history notes that there were many tribes originating from many different parts of Africa when the term Moor was coined. In other words, there were Africans that lived in Western Africa who weren't necessarily Moroccans then.

Now if you want to be a Moorish-American, be that. But it strikes me odd that the top African scholars of our time never confirmed Drew Ali's notion or idea. This is not to say the term is a bad thing, but it indeed divides Asiatics even more than we already are. To that degree, it's no different than a West Indian Asiatic shunning blacks in America. It is no different than an African from Africa looking down on a African American. This is real talk, and as my previous blog mentioned, Garvey would have despised this notion. He mission was to inform us that AFRICA is our birthplace and ALL of us should be united.

Again, this is not to offend Moors, but man knows not by being told, and at some point, you have to ask yourself why the M.S.T.of A often is associated with more drama and conflict than anything else. National membership is low in all branches and branches bicker with each other so much, you often wonder will they simply fall off the tree. This is factual, coming from yours truly because like Dr. Dre said, I've been there, done that.

Learn the history of the Moors, see the potential in what we are capable of and apply that to the now. But, in my opinion, the term Moorish-American holds know weight at all. Based on the number of Moorish-Americans in America, it looks like I'm not the only one who feels that way.

*Picture Courtesy of www.killingthebuddha.com

Why Marcus Garvey Wouldn't Support the M.S.T.A? (Part 1)

*This blog is not intended to create confusion amongst members of the M.S.T.of A nor give the M.S.T.of A, a bad reputation. This blog's purpose is to invoke critical thinking and upstanding interpersonal relations between all who might comment or take something away from the knowledge concealed. I encourage all Moors to comment and defend your square, as this is merely my opinion---and as you know, everybody has one.

Question: If Marcus Garvey was the "John the Baptist," or the forerunner of the so called prophet Noble Drew Ali (founder of the Moorish Science Temple of America), why do they have conflicting messages? Show me were John the Baptist said something contrary to what Jesus brought. And after all, I didn't choose those words, Noble Drew Ali did. In chapter 48 of the Circle 7 Koran, we read:

"In these modern days there came a forerunner of Jesus, who was divinely prepared by the great God-Allah and his name is Marcus Garvey, who did teach and warn the nations of the earth to prepare to meet the coming Prophet..."

BUT, while reading"Selected Writings and Speeches of Marcus Garvey," something struck me as odd.

In "The Philosophy and Opinions of Marcus Garvey Volume 2 (speech entitled Who and What is a Negro)," Garvey speaks against the very philosophy that Drew Ali brought to Asiatics. More specifically, I believe that Garvey would refute the term "Moorish American." Allow me to present some evidence from Garvey himself:

"If we were Negroes when we were down under the heel of oppression then we will be Negroes when we are up and liberated from such thralldom." -Marcus Garvey

In short, in this speech, Garvey notes that European scholars often isolate groups of blacks [Africans] because of some accomplishment they have achieved and classify them as non-negro. On the flip side, if Drew Ali was the prophet all our people had hoped for, a nationality better than "Moorish-American" should have been revealed. The term in itself is simply not accurate, and on it's face, Ali did a poor job of explaining the details of why we are Moorish Americans. Moreover, it is divisive. When people become members of the M.S.T. of A, they are no longer black. Ali taught Asiatics that black means death (he also taught that white means God). Subsequently, you have "Moors" who attempt to convert "blacks" to Moorish Americans. See how confusing this gets?

"Imagine a dark colored man in the middle of Africa being anything else but a negro." -Marcus Garvey

Undoubtedly, the Moors would have to admit that the forerunner sought to unite ALL Asiatics, and sought to include no division thereof. However, when Drew Ali appeared, he brought MORE confusion to the condition of the black man, women and child, in the sense of nationality.

" That is why the nationality of the Moors was taken away from them in 1774 and the word negro, black and colored, was given to the Asiatics of America who were of Moorish descent, because they honored not the principles of their mother and father, and strayed after the gods of Europe of whom they knew nothing. (Circle 7 42:17)"

But is the term Moor a nationality? In part two, I will explore the term Moor (and prove that the term is extremely ambiguos), and prove it is not a concise enough word to be classified as a competent nationality.

*pictures courtesy of nessence.com and whitescarver.com

Kiss the M.S.T.of A. Goodbye-R.I.P

I had an epiphany this morning. If Drew Ali, a so called "prophet" of Islam, is really a prophet, if he really brought such a profound message to the dark hue people in America, how come the legendary African American scholars never mentioned him? How come the Quran of Mecca leaves no room for his presence? I'll listen if you can find me one reputable African historian that affirmed that Drew Ali's movement was truly legit and divine. Again, I'll listen when you show me what Surah includes the verse that states there will be another prophet beyond Muhammad (and don't come with the same interpretation of Surahs that can be struck down in the Quran).

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, you can say why do I keep bringing this bogus movement up (M.S.T.of A)? Well, I'm educating you, as well as others on the truth about organizations that simply waste the majority of people's time. You have a right to know! So here we go....(I promise this is the last time I address this organization...resolution is near!)

Now...allow me to give you some angles..all from documentation I acquired when I was a member in the organization. I will let most of the documentation do the talking. Note, I will not address one single individual. I am not in the business of attacking people, but just as I challenge our government when they are out of line, I'd do the same to any organization if their principles are obscure and misleading.

The Oral Statements and Prophecies of Prophet Drew Ali (I'm quoting their info)
"I remember when I was on the soul-plane, I remember when I was Noah. Noah was a carpenter and he built the Ark. When the flood came, men came swimming out to the Ark and knocked on the door, and said, "Noah, Noah, let us in" and I told them, "The door is locked, and an angel came, and took the key away."

"Rome, 2000 years ago, you got me, but I got you today." (when the prophet was here 2000 years ago as Jesus, the Roman Nation crucified Him, but when he came as prophet Noble Drew Ali, He accomplished everything that he came for. their emphasis)

"Don't keep dogs in your house, because if you inhale one of its hairs, it could cut your throat"

"One day there is going to be so many women, a man is going to have to run for his life"

No, I'm not making this up-according to Moors that existed when he was alive, he said these things.

Sounds a little cultish doesn't it? But there's more juice! I can assure you that though there are numerous chapters of the M.S.T.of A, they all seem to be isolated from one another. There is no unity between these factions, in fact alot of branches rival each other. For instance, my former branch rivaled another branch because the former claimed to be the true, legitimate branch descended from Ali himself. The latter meanwhile would sling mud at the other branch which led only to confusion, something the so called prophet spoke against.

It should be noted that there are plenty of things that Drew Ali mentioned that held relevance. Yet at the end of the night, we are dealing with a disorganized group of African-Americans that claim they have a nationality, yet have no nation. Doesn't that snatch the root out of the movement? If you don't have a nation, how can you have a government? Yes, my friends, I see what Drew Ali attempted to do, but the fact is HE DIDN'T DO IT!

My former branch apparently only has seven members across the United States. If they have more, I'd estimate 20 (LOL). The branch I was in before them, sadly enough, was a similar situation. Mind you, this movement has been around since 1913.

And just when you thought I was done, the story continues! Look at a Grand Sheik's (a temple leader in the movement) response to a legitimate question on a blog by the M.S.T. of A. The lack of spirituality in the reply is evident and one questioning Drew Ali's divinity should not offend a member if he or she is secure in his faith. I was taught in the temple to not argue religion. Apparently, the leaders need to take a script of their own medicine.

1. rise Praising The Great God of The Universe,Honoring Allahs Prophet,honors to all whom are honorable.

   Islam,Bro.----- -- in reading this posting,I have issues with foreign terms of “hadith” and “da’wah”. Surah 10:47 of the Noble Quran states “To every people (was sent) a Messenger” In order for that Messenger to be sent to a nation he had to speak the national language of that particular people.What is the national language of Moorish Americans? ----- -- could you show me in Prophet Noble Drew Ali oral statements where he invited ones to speak a foreign language? I humbly await your reply

   
   

2. admin Says:
   May 23rd, 2009 at 5:19 pm

   Islam -----I will first answer your questions but what first troubled me, as a Moorish American Moslem, is the fact that you allowed this brother to question your Prophet as being Holy. I question the fact that you didn’t address this enemy of the Prophet and his insinuating that our Holy and Illustrious Prophet was a failure. Now, what is the root of this issue? Is it that we are doing what the Prophet said on the back of the Questionaire and you are having a problem with it? (what's all the beef for-my emphasis) The Back of our Questionaire which contains Our Authority states,” The Moorish Science Temple of America deriving its power and authority from the Great Koran of Mohammed to propagate the faith and extend the learning and truth of the Great Prophet of ALI in America”.
   What does, ”extend the learning” mean? Isn’t English composed of many different languages and terms; ie, terms such as: fiancé’, rendezvous, etc.? Didn’t the Prophet say that we had to take this to the East and uplift our brothers and sisters over there? We are identifying with the whole Islamic world by extending the learning or in other words,” furthering” or “building upon the foundation”. By the way, our ancient forefathers and mothers spoke many languages and one of them being Arabic. Matter of fact, we study many languages in the Grand Body. We study Wolof and Arabic.
   Now, I pray that you aren’t the ------------ that goes by the name ------------ that refuses to return the Warrant of Authority given to you by the Supreme Grand Sheik? If that is the case, you would be an embezzler of the faith and not worthy of being recognized as a Moor (nothing like a leader that lets the whole world know internal discrepancies within an organization that barely has a rock to stand on!!!- my emphasis).
   Well, I hope this answers your questions. As you can see, we are in the Law and Follow the Prophet in works, words, and deeds.
   Peace and Love, ----- -- GS (Grand Sheik)

And this is a Sheik, someone of religious authority responding in this fashion-wow!! Reminds me of baptist church drama.

DREW ALI DID NOT HAVE WHAT IT TOOK TO MAKE AFRICAN AMERICANS A NATION!! NEITHER DID GARVEY!

Not to say they weren't on to something at all, but I'd be a fool to elevate Ali's impact over Garvey.

So if any of your Moors wanna talk to me, I come in peace and love but freedom of speech is something! Show me your vast nation. Show me what your government has done. Show me what the Moors are doing in the community RIGHT NOW. 96 years is plenty of time don't you think? Show me your country. And don't try to say this is our country because the Europeans took that from us a long time ago. Show me the the legitimacy of the term "Moorish" American. How does it compare to a Nigerian-American? Last time I checked, Moorish is not a country and never has been (nationalities contain country-Continent). Does the United States Government even recognized your nationality? The Indians have laws on the books-did Drew Ali establish that for his so called nation? Has your constitution been amended to adjust with modern times? If the movement is so legitimate, how come the different branches don't come together?

Lastly, I ask the Moors, if Muhammad (peace be upon him) was around, would he unite with the M.S.T. of A? Or would you be slain for blasphemy? Islam is the straight path and this movement's path is definitely crooked. So to state it clearly, I believe the latter choice in the aforesaid question would be appropriate.

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I'm closing the casket...this blog is the death of the M.S.T.of A. (Moment of Silence Please).